Watched New Moon with my gf. The harsh thing about this is that I scored free tickets for her pa. Hay naku, my mancard’s in the bin. Along with my dignity.
Chompy rocks!
K: kudos on finding a way to keep your mancard even if you watched new moon.
I think the movie would be so much better if jacob and edward just made out.
Eize loved the macro kaso I hate HP as well I prefer my wizards to be several hundred years old, with battered hats or young red-headed girls who are slightly flat-chested, has spells that can level several mountain ranges and has an appetite that wouldn’t appear strange to Saiyajins
Blade would have made the movie more exciting but more short. Another scenario would be he walks away from Edward leaving him with a stake through the heart after a quick & effortless fight. The Daywalker’s words as he leaves would probably be: “Not a great way to kill time.”
Anyone else want to Walk the path of Blade to hunt them all?
PCow: Meyer may not be the best writer I’ve come across, but damn! that is the most addictive crap I’ve read in a long while. I tore through most of the 4 books in the past 5 nights, going to sleep only when the sky started going pink–not a good idea as my workday starts at 7am. It’s like going for broke at a dessert bar, everything’s too sweet and you know you’re going to have a bad chocolate hangover later, but you just can’t put the spoon down.
Eize not gonna go explaining my side to a fan of HP so let’s leave it as my personal opinion although I still believe a lot of stuff in HP was lifted from Gaiman’s Book of Magic series among other stuff…
Krissy: don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. Any ‘sissy’ book that is hardcore enough to get PCow’s attention has my respect.
Jiro: the books are written for entertainment, right? so originality shouldn’t really be the primary concern here. Sidney Sheldon has about 5 plots (that I can spot) he alternates throughout his book,s and lots of series (Perry Mason, Nancy Drew, etc) are pretty much formulaic but I enjoy them anyway. If you want originality in entertainment every single time, then it’s almost pointless to watch TV and movies. π
Krissy: Wrong. You actually understand what the fuss is all about, but for whatever reason you’re trying to detach yourself from the reality of the situation. Because, if you really didn’t give a sh*t, you wouldn’t post.
Phoebe: True, to a certain extent. Remember, original concepts, almost non-existent; original combinations, limitless.
PCow: Exactly. it doesn’t make much sense to keep re-inventing the wheel. Little improvements and adapting its uses to as many applications as allowable is far more profitable.
New Moon? Isn’t the entire Twilight saga just a rehash of the old Vampire-human love story with a few kinks thrown in for the pleasure of young hormonal girls?
No way does it compare with the writing of Tolkien, or Shakespeare, or even Rowling as a contemporary.
@Pcow: I didn’t say I don’t give a sh*t. in fact, i wanted to somewhat understand why it was such a big hit. I read the 1st two books but I didn’t like it that much and just yesterday, I watched the 1st movie and was disappointed.
Kent: why compare it to tolkien and shakespeare at all? try comparing it to movies like Ocean’s 11 or Clueless. the twilight books are a good leave-your-brains at the door kind of entertainment. Reading nothing but masterpieces can get tedious. it’s like eating steak at every meal. you’ll crave pizza every so often.
Krissy: try reading Eclipse. It’s the funniest of the 4 books. not quite as hormonally melodramatic as the first two books and the edward-jacob competition is hilarious. breaking dawn is not bad, but more angst-y and teenager-ish.
@Pheoebe- That’s just it… We leave our brains at the door too often. I hear women gush over EC a lot. Funny how the people who dislike(I think hate is too strong a word to be used on a book) the series happen to have read such great works as I’ve mentioned above. Pizza, as you put it, can be found in gems such as HP or The Hobbit(By Tolkien. It was written as a book for the younger audience and the theme of the first few chapters of LotR:FotR reflect this). Clearly they target the same age but with much more meaning to it. You can enjoy the book while you “leave your brains at the door.”
But do you mean that the entire Twilight Saga has no real plot at all? Far as I know, one needs brains to understand a plot… And plot twists.
Mancard… still remember when it was no longer in use. π
There’s a new internet term of manliness common in Fate/Stay Night anime circles.
GAR- “GAR” is primarily the utmost level of manliness a character can achieve, although it is not bound to either fictional or non-fictional characters.
In another- All other straight men turn gay in the presence of a man who has achieved GAR. They are not gay but rather, they are still straight men who pale in comparison to GAR.
Gar came about either as a misspelling or a weird acronym for “Gay for ARcher.”
In the end, we all have a right to read what we want to read, without fear or prejudice. So if you want to read Meyer or Homer, Tolkien or Sheldon, Shakespeare or Gregorio, go right ahead. It was a free world, last I checked.
Yes it is. Which leaves me free to voice my opinions, doesn’t it?
I may have gotten off wrong here, my point simply is, maybe we should see if there really is a point to what we read. Ignorance is bliss but sometimes enlightenment can show you something better.
Kent: the plots are light enough to make reading effortless entertainment, good enough to hold the story together.
it’s not easy to get kids try to consider reading as entertainment rather than homework so to just get them to enjoy reading anything is a step in the right direction. even Archie comics boosts an adolescent’s vocabulary, and is archie any less hormonal than twilight? the bonus to the twilight books is that Meyer also points the reader towards Austen, Bronte, Montgomery and even Shakespeare. it’s a good place as any to start. Also, do you read Beerkada for entertainment or purely for the social commentary of Lyndon Gregorio?
Thank you. Could you please telll me how Meyer points to the other writers? I don’t quite grasp your meaning. Hm, As to Archie, well, I’d have to say that yes, it is less hormonal.
My biggest problem with Twilight, simply, is the idealization of men and relationships, The idealization of women already brought trouble to the world, in a sense, wnd who knows what would happen if these young women grew up looking for an “Edward” in their lives? They would most certainly fail and if they held on to that hope for too long they might grow cynical of the world. A world that’s too cynical already.
I read Beerkada as a light but not pointless reading. Social commentaries and witty turn-of-phrases can be put together, as only people with the skills of these men can. I read Beerkada to remind me of the happier side of life. No sense in losing the child within all of us.
1) Jughead is the only non-hormonal teenager in Riverdale. Archie is so hormonal that he’s almost disabled.
2) Classic references in the series : Meyer named Edward for Edward Rochester (Jane Eyre) and Edward Ferrars (Sense and Sensibility). Bella reads a Jane Austen compilation in her back yard in Twilight. Edward and Bella discuss Romeo and Juliet a lot in New Moon. Bella reads, discusses, and quotes the finer points of Wuthering Heights in Eclipse. Bella wears an Anne of Green Gables wedding gown and Alice left Bella secret instructions in a copy of Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice in Breaking Dawn. Meyer also listed some recommended reading for fans who visit her website. Any ‘fluff’ writer who can interest any reader (especially kids) to even take a whiff at the classics has my respect.
2)The idealization of relationships: Edward idealizes Bella just as much as Bella idealizes Edward, making them equal. Edward acknowledges that Jacob knows Bella better because Jacob doesn’t idealize her as much as Edward does. It’s a relief to Bella that to Jacob, she’ll always be ‘just Bella’. Edward’s extreme patience and perfection is irritating and usually ends up being worse for Bella than if he weren’t so hell-bent on doing what’s best for her. Jacob did a better job by being a lot less overbearingly careful. Meyer also ascribed Edward’s extreme courtesy and values by reminding the reader that he came from an earlier time period, when expecting chivalry and such were the norm than the exception. Bella may physically a damsel in distress, but she is also stubborn, empowered and determined to do her share.
Sure, Phoebe, but that’s just it, with all the idealization, people become complete idealists. Being optimistic isn’t bad, neither is being realistic. But if you take too much of either, you make mistakes.
I give on the Archie comics part, you got me.
References work only when fanatics research them. As a Fate/Stay Night Fan, I’ve immersed myself in the series and game long enough and began researching the out-of-game facts. So I learned about King Arthur and such. But as stated previously, it’s already hard enough to get people to read, reading Twilight may move some people but how sure are you that a large number will start reading Anne of Green Gables, or and of Shakespeare’s works? Or for that matter, out-of-Twilight research?
Last panel, is that a tear or a nosebleed? Coz both apply at that moment.
Watched New Moon with my gf. The harsh thing about this is that I scored free tickets for her pa. Hay naku, my mancard’s in the bin. Along with my dignity.
better to read the book, I’d say. better yet, download a free e-book. It’s not worth it to see on the big screen.
Pcow: I’m sure the way you appreciated her gratitude qualifies you to keep your mancard. π
Phoebe: No.
hehehe, watched the movie, found it boring, but damn lotsa hot chicks… Didn’t lose my mancard, got new numbers….
Iβm sorry I canβt be the right kind of idiot for you, Bellaβ¦. Jacob
Chompy rocks!
K: kudos on finding a way to keep your mancard even if you watched new moon.
I think the movie would be so much better if jacob and edward just made out.
K: Sure you did.
Pcow: Are you telling me that I got your Mancard by default simply because I REFUSE to have anything to do with Twilight? Astig!!!!
Also: click my name to go to a post of pride. Although I doubt the writer knew that it was a Filipina who made the macro. π
Mary didn’t know you were a fujyoushi just like my sister. heh I still get to keep my mancard I think
Eize loved the macro kaso I hate HP as well I prefer my wizards to be several hundred years old, with battered hats or young red-headed girls who are slightly flat-chested, has spells that can level several mountain ranges and has an appetite that wouldn’t appear strange to Saiyajins
No plans of watching it. For the record, I am neither with Team Edward nor Team Jacob.
Walking the Path of Day, the man who will hunt them all.
It’s that “mangy mutt” that made the movie. Damn underaged sixpack…
Should Blade go after these wussy vampires? Or are they a waste of his time?
Blade would have made the movie more exciting but more short. Another scenario would be he walks away from Edward leaving him with a stake through the heart after a quick & effortless fight. The Daywalker’s words as he leaves would probably be: “Not a great way to kill time.”
Anyone else want to Walk the path of Blade to hunt them all?
i love new moon!
ang kept on looking at jacob’s pecs!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Don’t knock ’em yet, Mr. L; they have backup:
http://zfiledh.livejournal.com/270863.html
BACKUP DANCERS!!!!
Jiro: At least JK Rowling could write.
Targs: Of course you did.
PCow: Meyer may not be the best writer I’ve come across, but damn! that is the most addictive crap I’ve read in a long while. I tore through most of the 4 books in the past 5 nights, going to sleep only when the sky started going pink–not a good idea as my workday starts at 7am. It’s like going for broke at a dessert bar, everything’s too sweet and you know you’re going to have a bad chocolate hangover later, but you just can’t put the spoon down.
psychocow: With that much ‘influence’ *coughplagiarismcouch* anyone could write.
Jiro: The hallucinogenic type of influence? Please–even Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart think the books are ludicrous.
About the Twilight series (sorry for the double post). And what, pray tell, is your definition of plagiarism?
Eize: I think technically, if you cite the source and put enough quotation marks, it’s no longer considered plagarism, in a legal sense, anyway.
Eize not gonna go explaining my side to a fan of HP so let’s leave it as my personal opinion although I still believe a lot of stuff in HP was lifted from Gaiman’s Book of Magic series among other stuff…
Jiro: There is no such thing as an original concept anymore. Just original combinations of said concepts.
Bwahahaha!
Ang seseryoso ng mga tao dito!
Tsaka puro English!
Jiro: Please read this–
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/04/fair-use-and-other-things.html
Never liked the books, never saw the movies. so I don’t really get what the fuss is all about.
Krissy: don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. Any ‘sissy’ book that is hardcore enough to get PCow’s attention has my respect.
Jiro: the books are written for entertainment, right? so originality shouldn’t really be the primary concern here. Sidney Sheldon has about 5 plots (that I can spot) he alternates throughout his book,s and lots of series (Perry Mason, Nancy Drew, etc) are pretty much formulaic but I enjoy them anyway. If you want originality in entertainment every single time, then it’s almost pointless to watch TV and movies. π
My brother reports in one theater, as Jacob takes his shirt off, a female audience member gasped loudly, “OH MY GOD.”
The whole theater erupter into laughter. OMG, indeed.
My brother reports in one theater, as Jacob takes his shirt off, a female audience member gasped loudly, “OH MY GOD.”
The whole theater erupted into laughter. OMG, indeed.
How about a “Paranormal Activity” spoof? or is it in the works π
Phoebe: Literature is SRS BZNZ. XD
Krissy: Wrong. You actually understand what the fuss is all about, but for whatever reason you’re trying to detach yourself from the reality of the situation. Because, if you really didn’t give a sh*t, you wouldn’t post.
Phoebe: True, to a certain extent. Remember, original concepts, almost non-existent; original combinations, limitless.
Hold on while I write a zombie love story in novel format. The zombies will twinkle in moonlight!
PCow: Exactly. it doesn’t make much sense to keep re-inventing the wheel. Little improvements and adapting its uses to as many applications as allowable is far more profitable.
Eize: Cool. Looking forward to it.
New Moon? Isn’t the entire Twilight saga just a rehash of the old Vampire-human love story with a few kinks thrown in for the pleasure of young hormonal girls?
No way does it compare with the writing of Tolkien, or Shakespeare, or even Rowling as a contemporary.
As we say in FF.net, “It’s like one bad fanfic…”
@Pcow: I didn’t say I don’t give a sh*t. in fact, i wanted to somewhat understand why it was such a big hit. I read the 1st two books but I didn’t like it that much and just yesterday, I watched the 1st movie and was disappointed.
Kent: why compare it to tolkien and shakespeare at all? try comparing it to movies like Ocean’s 11 or Clueless. the twilight books are a good leave-your-brains at the door kind of entertainment. Reading nothing but masterpieces can get tedious. it’s like eating steak at every meal. you’ll crave pizza every so often.
Krissy: try reading Eclipse. It’s the funniest of the 4 books. not quite as hormonally melodramatic as the first two books and the edward-jacob competition is hilarious. breaking dawn is not bad, but more angst-y and teenager-ish.
@Pheoebe- That’s just it… We leave our brains at the door too often. I hear women gush over EC a lot. Funny how the people who dislike(I think hate is too strong a word to be used on a book) the series happen to have read such great works as I’ve mentioned above. Pizza, as you put it, can be found in gems such as HP or The Hobbit(By Tolkien. It was written as a book for the younger audience and the theme of the first few chapters of LotR:FotR reflect this). Clearly they target the same age but with much more meaning to it. You can enjoy the book while you “leave your brains at the door.”
But do you mean that the entire Twilight Saga has no real plot at all? Far as I know, one needs brains to understand a plot… And plot twists.
Mancard… still remember when it was no longer in use. π
There’s a new internet term of manliness common in Fate/Stay Night anime circles.
GAR- “GAR” is primarily the utmost level of manliness a character can achieve, although it is not bound to either fictional or non-fictional characters.
In another- All other straight men turn gay in the presence of a man who has achieved GAR. They are not gay but rather, they are still straight men who pale in comparison to GAR.
Gar came about either as a misspelling or a weird acronym for “Gay for ARcher.”
In the end, we all have a right to read what we want to read, without fear or prejudice. So if you want to read Meyer or Homer, Tolkien or Sheldon, Shakespeare or Gregorio, go right ahead. It was a free world, last I checked.
Yes it is. Which leaves me free to voice my opinions, doesn’t it?
I may have gotten off wrong here, my point simply is, maybe we should see if there really is a point to what we read. Ignorance is bliss but sometimes enlightenment can show you something better.
Kent: the plots are light enough to make reading effortless entertainment, good enough to hold the story together.
it’s not easy to get kids try to consider reading as entertainment rather than homework so to just get them to enjoy reading anything is a step in the right direction. even Archie comics boosts an adolescent’s vocabulary, and is archie any less hormonal than twilight? the bonus to the twilight books is that Meyer also points the reader towards Austen, Bronte, Montgomery and even Shakespeare. it’s a good place as any to start. Also, do you read Beerkada for entertainment or purely for the social commentary of Lyndon Gregorio?
Now there’s a debater!
Thank you. Could you please telll me how Meyer points to the other writers? I don’t quite grasp your meaning. Hm, As to Archie, well, I’d have to say that yes, it is less hormonal.
My biggest problem with Twilight, simply, is the idealization of men and relationships, The idealization of women already brought trouble to the world, in a sense, wnd who knows what would happen if these young women grew up looking for an “Edward” in their lives? They would most certainly fail and if they held on to that hope for too long they might grow cynical of the world. A world that’s too cynical already.
I read Beerkada as a light but not pointless reading. Social commentaries and witty turn-of-phrases can be put together, as only people with the skills of these men can. I read Beerkada to remind me of the happier side of life. No sense in losing the child within all of us.
Kent: thanks for the compliment.
1) Jughead is the only non-hormonal teenager in Riverdale. Archie is so hormonal that he’s almost disabled.
2) Classic references in the series : Meyer named Edward for Edward Rochester (Jane Eyre) and Edward Ferrars (Sense and Sensibility). Bella reads a Jane Austen compilation in her back yard in Twilight. Edward and Bella discuss Romeo and Juliet a lot in New Moon. Bella reads, discusses, and quotes the finer points of Wuthering Heights in Eclipse. Bella wears an Anne of Green Gables wedding gown and Alice left Bella secret instructions in a copy of Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice in Breaking Dawn. Meyer also listed some recommended reading for fans who visit her website. Any ‘fluff’ writer who can interest any reader (especially kids) to even take a whiff at the classics has my respect.
2)The idealization of relationships: Edward idealizes Bella just as much as Bella idealizes Edward, making them equal. Edward acknowledges that Jacob knows Bella better because Jacob doesn’t idealize her as much as Edward does. It’s a relief to Bella that to Jacob, she’ll always be ‘just Bella’. Edward’s extreme patience and perfection is irritating and usually ends up being worse for Bella than if he weren’t so hell-bent on doing what’s best for her. Jacob did a better job by being a lot less overbearingly careful. Meyer also ascribed Edward’s extreme courtesy and values by reminding the reader that he came from an earlier time period, when expecting chivalry and such were the norm than the exception. Bella may physically a damsel in distress, but she is also stubborn, empowered and determined to do her share.
Kevin and here I thought I was the only one who knew about GAR lol. Does that mean that GAR is beyond Mancore?
Sure, Phoebe, but that’s just it, with all the idealization, people become complete idealists. Being optimistic isn’t bad, neither is being realistic. But if you take too much of either, you make mistakes.
I give on the Archie comics part, you got me.
References work only when fanatics research them. As a Fate/Stay Night Fan, I’ve immersed myself in the series and game long enough and began researching the out-of-game facts. So I learned about King Arthur and such. But as stated previously, it’s already hard enough to get people to read, reading Twilight may move some people but how sure are you that a large number will start reading Anne of Green Gables, or and of Shakespeare’s works? Or for that matter, out-of-Twilight research?
Huh, I suppose, since the definition does kind of say that…
It’d be funny if there was a guy with a card with “GAR” written on it and Bryan starts to go gay around the guy. LOLZ.